I watched the first half of the first episode of Chosen. That was enough
There are a couple of good movies which use the words of the Gospels themselves, and the words only. The one of Gospel of Mark was made in Italy I think. Sorry I don't have links, but they are worth watching. Closer to the truth.
I noticed that people are still replying to this comment. Here is a link to the productions I mentioned. They portray the Gospels using the words of the Gospels themselves. I highly recommend them.
This production company also has an excellent movie adaptation of the book of Ezra from the Jewish bible, but from the Christian perspective. It's called The Covenant.
And I imagine very very brief since you can’t make much of a movie from the little bit we’re given in the Bible. If it’s touted as a fictional show, expect fiction. That’s the situation here. I’m not sure why some have an issue with that.
Are you kidding me? Jesus did not love Judas? Where did you get this? Of course, Jesus knew Judas would betray Him. That knowledge does not lessen His love for Judas. Jesus knows I will sin and betray him, probably every day. I thank God every day that my sin, even my serious sin, does not make me unworthy of His love.
This! I don't know why the idea that Jesus would have prayed for Judas is so controversial. He was a follower. Jesus knew what he was going to do yet loved him and I am sure it broke his heart.
I’m not saying that the Chosen is perfect. I’m sayjng that in fleshing out Jesus to the world. They have shown the world that Jesus was both fully human and fully man… !
That he wasn’t prideful, or condescending towards others knowing that he was also God. It shows Jesus’s compassion for others, and for children, it shows that he was able to speak to all people.
There were those who have questioned other shows made by people who may have been questioned for their motives or their faith… like the “The Passion of Christ”! Jim Cavazelle said that during the making of “The Passion” that to be able to get all the right shots on cameras etc… He was put up on the cross several times and the pain of the splintery wood of the Cross broke his skin, the ropes, etcetera wounded his back and his legs and arms.., Jim said he hasn’t been the same since.
But the Passion wasn’t make word or word scripture and neither is the Chosen.
I don’t know who in Utah built that beautiful set? But it was very effective! But you may not know The Salvation Army is definately a church and preaches the Gospel of Christ.. they own the land that the Chosen is being filmed on now!
Okay y’all! The Chosen calls itself a show… it is an adaption… many Characters ie: Rena were not in the Bible. But the way her character is done it fills in some of the possible who followed Jesus. She was also a friend of Thomas and gave a possible reason why He doubted Jesus.
Judas was in charge of the money for the group because he had experience in investing and such… he saw the value of money. He also questioned Jesus motives, and may have not understood all that Jesus had to say about money and the value of it.
So in turn he may have thought he could make some needed money by selling Jesus out to the Pharisees.
The Pharisees also didn’t care how they got Jesus into their hands so that they could get rid of him…
In turn the Bible may not include a conversation between Jesus and Judas… but also the writers of the Gospels may not have been privy to such a conversation… we don’t know… but later Judas did sell out Jesus, and He definitely struggled with it because later he felt guilty for what he had done and tried to stop the Pharasees who would have no part of his feeling guilty.. they had what they wanted.. . They didn’t care who sold Jesus out to them!
The Chosen is made to get people to open the Bible. Yes they add a little that is not written in the Bible but they say there’s no way the author could write everything that was said or even seen. The Chosen does interview other religions in a round table conversation about each seen - worth watching!
Watching The Chosen a few years ago got me interested in reading the Bible, which I did through Bible in 365. I also decided to watch Gibson’s The Passion ( I had avoided due to the violence) but happy I did. It also led me to attend a Calvary Chapel on Palm Sunday 2 years ago. I’ve been attending ever since. I knew there was dramatic license taken watching the Chosen, however it got me very interested in the real story as told through the Bible. So for me a very good thing.
We should also be unafraid of the agents among us who are the enemies of our King. He prepares a table before us in their presence, because we are untouchable within his care. We can rest peacefully knowing that he protects us.
You seem to be pretty confident of Jesus relationship with Judas. How do you know what it was like?
Do you have any scripture proof to showcase it?
If so, what? If not, your entire argument is the exact same thing you’re accusing the show of. Which is giving proofs and explanations beyond the Bible.
I’ve wondered about the relationship that Judas had with Jesus and the other eleven. Was he faking it all along? Was he that good a faker? Jesus is recorded as being ignorant of at least one thing—Mark 13:32–was he ignorant of Judas’ betrayal when He included him among the twelve? Did He not choose Judas in compassion?
Jesus always knew that Judas would betray him. He included him among the Twelve to help fulfill the prophecy of His death and resurrection. The lesson is that some pretend to follow Christ, but in the end, they will turn their backs on Him. Mark 13:32 refers to Jesus' second coming... not His betrayal by Judas. Hope this helps...
"Having become like us, even though he remained what he was, he will not repudiate what belongs to us, but instead accepts what is human along with the limitations that belong to the human condition, for the sake of the dispensation of the incarnation, without thereby compromising in any way his glory or his nature. For even in this state, he is God and Lord of all" (Cyril of Alexandria).
I know that Mark 13:32 is about Christ’s second coming. It is an illustration that Jesus did not know at least one thing. What else did he not know? The hypostatic union is an unfathomable mystery.
The Chosen planted a seed in me and is part of my testimony. And I believe Jesus speaks on this:
Mark 9:39-41 ESV
[39] But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. [40] For the one who is not against us is for us. [41] For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward.
My biggest issue with The Chosen are the number of comments I’ve seen over the past few years like this, “When I get to heaven, I hope Jesus looks like Johnathan Roumie.” OR “When I pray, I can’t help but picture Johnathan Roumie.” It’s awful. I think it’s taken us down a dangerous road.
I’m wondering if adding to scripture in a movie, or removing scripture in a movie, for whatever reason the movie maker chooses, if that should fall under the warning God gives us if we add or take away from His word? Are movies, songs, artistic expression spared this warning? Does it only pertain to preachers, pastors, teachers, and believers Sharing the word ? Or should this be a warning to maybe consider not supporting those that do take freedoms for entertainment purposes, and alter in any way shape or form the truth and words in scripture? Where do we draw the line? Where do we say the world is wrong and as a Christian I won’t compromise on God’s word? Do we allow the devil to enter our homes, cars, groups, gatherings etc for entertainment purposes? And if so, why are we? Why do we give the entertainment industry this freedom to alter or add or take away God’s word as it’s written, but then slam the book on someone sharing the gospel but quotes the scripture wrongly? All should be corrected. When we watch these things or listen to music with lyrics that aren’t biblical, we are in reality supporting them and are we held accountable as well! There are some companies trying hard to make biblically sound movies. But how can they survive if we are supporting those that alter the word, because it’s better entertainment?
It does not fall under that warning UNLESS they are specifically calling those lines of dialog "scripture." Dallas has said over and over again that the show IS NOT SCRIPTURE.
I get that. But as a Christian I question the intent to use a biblical story and alter it? Why does the movie industry always take what God has for good, and alter it? Is it the accuser using these peoples desire for wealth and notoriety to deceive Christian’s? Maybe to plant a seed of doubt or to question the authenticity of scripture? I stay away. I find little value in movies using Bible story’s to make a movie that has altered scripture.
I’m not going to make an impassioned plea for The Chosen show or for Dallas Jenkins here. Just some thoughts. First they are no longer working with Angel studios (run by Mormons) and that affiliation was business, not a religious agreement. In business, most if not all of us must rub shoulders with folks who do not believe as we do. Second, not all conversations had by Jesus with others are recorded in the Bible. John told us if everything had been written down the whole world could not hold all the books. Hyperbole of course, but clearly an indication that many things about Jesus were not written down and canonized as scripture. And third, I don’t know what behaviors of Jesus are perceived as showing him flawed by sin…the character shows hunger, thirst, tiredness, anger, sadness, etc. I’m a pretty astute viewer of media and I’m not sure I’ve seen sneaky nods at LGBTQ mentality. Historically, those behaviors were around in ancient times. Jesus must have encountered them…but since He came to save mankind from their sins, I’d expect him to deal with it (not run away ). Just my thoughts.
It is hard for me to see any effort to dramatize scripture. It simply presumes too much. I also do not want someone presuming to act the part of the Savior to have dialog that is not from what we have as generally accepted biblical text - and that still allows quite a bit of room for differences in what denominations and individuals accept as inspired texts and differences over translations.
Not sure where the slight to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the writer refers to said Church as "Mormon") comes from here. It seems to escape in this piece as a bit of hard to suppress bitterness since it doesn't really support the points he appears he wants to make and doesn't seem to be accurate. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer, as the only way or means by which they may return home, as the individual who suffered and paid for sin and makes possible repentance. That means, absent an intellectually manipulated exercise, that they are "Christians" - the author's disagreements with them over the nature of the God Head or Trinity notwithstanding.
My own misgivings aside, I respect the work of those of good faith who I see as sincere believers in Jesus Christ that comes through in the episodes of The Chosen that I have watched. I see those who have created these programs as my brothers and sisters who are doing their sincere best to do a good work to honor the Savior and share their witness of Him. I wish them God's speed in their efforts.
I have, thankfully, have never seen this series. I counsel with a women at a pregnancy care center who does not go to church who really likes the series. I have warned her it is not biblical. We are currently studying the actual Bible. She has a great fear of church. The whole situation requires much prayer and mercy.
Sadly, we are in an age where everyone wants to visually see on tv what they think is the truth. We are lazy and don’t want to do the research for ourselves to find the truth.
I watched the first half of the first episode of Chosen. That was enough
There are a couple of good movies which use the words of the Gospels themselves, and the words only. The one of Gospel of Mark was made in Italy I think. Sorry I don't have links, but they are worth watching. Closer to the truth.
I noticed that people are still replying to this comment. Here is a link to the productions I mentioned. They portray the Gospels using the words of the Gospels themselves. I highly recommend them.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077V5Q7MX
This production company also has an excellent movie adaptation of the book of Ezra from the Jewish bible, but from the Christian perspective. It's called The Covenant.
https://www.amazon.com/Covenant-David-Batty/dp/B0CVTW21WS/ref=sr_1_9
I remember one called Matthew that the dialogue was just Scripture.
Yes, see my reply above.
And I imagine very very brief since you can’t make much of a movie from the little bit we’re given in the Bible. If it’s touted as a fictional show, expect fiction. That’s the situation here. I’m not sure why some have an issue with that.
Yep
The issue is that people unfamiliar with the Bible are mislead by the show. That was NOT Christ's attitude towards Judas.
Are you kidding me? Jesus did not love Judas? Where did you get this? Of course, Jesus knew Judas would betray Him. That knowledge does not lessen His love for Judas. Jesus knows I will sin and betray him, probably every day. I thank God every day that my sin, even my serious sin, does not make me unworthy of His love.
This! I don't know why the idea that Jesus would have prayed for Judas is so controversial. He was a follower. Jesus knew what he was going to do yet loved him and I am sure it broke his heart.
I’m not saying that the Chosen is perfect. I’m sayjng that in fleshing out Jesus to the world. They have shown the world that Jesus was both fully human and fully man… !
That he wasn’t prideful, or condescending towards others knowing that he was also God. It shows Jesus’s compassion for others, and for children, it shows that he was able to speak to all people.
There were those who have questioned other shows made by people who may have been questioned for their motives or their faith… like the “The Passion of Christ”! Jim Cavazelle said that during the making of “The Passion” that to be able to get all the right shots on cameras etc… He was put up on the cross several times and the pain of the splintery wood of the Cross broke his skin, the ropes, etcetera wounded his back and his legs and arms.., Jim said he hasn’t been the same since.
But the Passion wasn’t make word or word scripture and neither is the Chosen.
I don’t know who in Utah built that beautiful set? But it was very effective! But you may not know The Salvation Army is definately a church and preaches the Gospel of Christ.. they own the land that the Chosen is being filmed on now!
Okay y’all! The Chosen calls itself a show… it is an adaption… many Characters ie: Rena were not in the Bible. But the way her character is done it fills in some of the possible who followed Jesus. She was also a friend of Thomas and gave a possible reason why He doubted Jesus.
Judas was in charge of the money for the group because he had experience in investing and such… he saw the value of money. He also questioned Jesus motives, and may have not understood all that Jesus had to say about money and the value of it.
So in turn he may have thought he could make some needed money by selling Jesus out to the Pharisees.
The Pharisees also didn’t care how they got Jesus into their hands so that they could get rid of him…
In turn the Bible may not include a conversation between Jesus and Judas… but also the writers of the Gospels may not have been privy to such a conversation… we don’t know… but later Judas did sell out Jesus, and He definitely struggled with it because later he felt guilty for what he had done and tried to stop the Pharasees who would have no part of his feeling guilty.. they had what they wanted.. . They didn’t care who sold Jesus out to them!
The Chosen is made to get people to open the Bible. Yes they add a little that is not written in the Bible but they say there’s no way the author could write everything that was said or even seen. The Chosen does interview other religions in a round table conversation about each seen - worth watching!
Watching The Chosen a few years ago got me interested in reading the Bible, which I did through Bible in 365. I also decided to watch Gibson’s The Passion ( I had avoided due to the violence) but happy I did. It also led me to attend a Calvary Chapel on Palm Sunday 2 years ago. I’ve been attending ever since. I knew there was dramatic license taken watching the Chosen, however it got me very interested in the real story as told through the Bible. So for me a very good thing.
People unfamiliar with the bible, are misled into believing it is a book of history and not a book of fiction.
Much adapted, translated, much edited and selectively interpreted by its human subjects.
It is actually a tool of involution and submission.
We should also be unafraid of the agents among us who are the enemies of our King. He prepares a table before us in their presence, because we are untouchable within his care. We can rest peacefully knowing that he protects us.
You seem to be pretty confident of Jesus relationship with Judas. How do you know what it was like?
Do you have any scripture proof to showcase it?
If so, what? If not, your entire argument is the exact same thing you’re accusing the show of. Which is giving proofs and explanations beyond the Bible.
Your argument is circle.
I’ve wondered about the relationship that Judas had with Jesus and the other eleven. Was he faking it all along? Was he that good a faker? Jesus is recorded as being ignorant of at least one thing—Mark 13:32–was he ignorant of Judas’ betrayal when He included him among the twelve? Did He not choose Judas in compassion?
Jesus always knew that Judas would betray him. He included him among the Twelve to help fulfill the prophecy of His death and resurrection. The lesson is that some pretend to follow Christ, but in the end, they will turn their backs on Him. Mark 13:32 refers to Jesus' second coming... not His betrayal by Judas. Hope this helps...
Why did Jesus (sic,) say people must follow him?
Because his mother was a virgin?
"Having become like us, even though he remained what he was, he will not repudiate what belongs to us, but instead accepts what is human along with the limitations that belong to the human condition, for the sake of the dispensation of the incarnation, without thereby compromising in any way his glory or his nature. For even in this state, he is God and Lord of all" (Cyril of Alexandria).
I know that Mark 13:32 is about Christ’s second coming. It is an illustration that Jesus did not know at least one thing. What else did he not know? The hypostatic union is an unfathomable mystery.
Ditto. There are far better adaptations of our Savior’s life.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgUPt2KI08
Your savior, wound up nailed between two thieves.
Batman would have been your better choice.
Although Hallmark would disagree, love and suffering go hand in hand. That’s the point.
The point of what? ...that you can use vague and meaningless aphorisms to deflect from the fact that religion is a mental disorder.
The Chosen planted a seed in me and is part of my testimony. And I believe Jesus speaks on this:
Mark 9:39-41 ESV
[39] But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. [40] For the one who is not against us is for us. [41] For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward.
I've tried to tell Christians that “The Chosen” is not what they think it is.
They should know… but even with warnings from solid Christian leaders, they watch it and talk about how accurate it is.
You aware of anything good that comes out of the Jewish cesspool of Hollywood….
My biggest issue with The Chosen are the number of comments I’ve seen over the past few years like this, “When I get to heaven, I hope Jesus looks like Johnathan Roumie.” OR “When I pray, I can’t help but picture Johnathan Roumie.” It’s awful. I think it’s taken us down a dangerous road.
I agree. I heard a group leader say, “If you are praying to Jesus and you picture Jonathan Rhoumie, you have a problem”.
As a Chosen fan, I also find those comments disturbing...as does Jonathan Roumie. However I don't blame the show for that. Some people are just dense.
Way more dangerous!
I’m wondering if adding to scripture in a movie, or removing scripture in a movie, for whatever reason the movie maker chooses, if that should fall under the warning God gives us if we add or take away from His word? Are movies, songs, artistic expression spared this warning? Does it only pertain to preachers, pastors, teachers, and believers Sharing the word ? Or should this be a warning to maybe consider not supporting those that do take freedoms for entertainment purposes, and alter in any way shape or form the truth and words in scripture? Where do we draw the line? Where do we say the world is wrong and as a Christian I won’t compromise on God’s word? Do we allow the devil to enter our homes, cars, groups, gatherings etc for entertainment purposes? And if so, why are we? Why do we give the entertainment industry this freedom to alter or add or take away God’s word as it’s written, but then slam the book on someone sharing the gospel but quotes the scripture wrongly? All should be corrected. When we watch these things or listen to music with lyrics that aren’t biblical, we are in reality supporting them and are we held accountable as well! There are some companies trying hard to make biblically sound movies. But how can they survive if we are supporting those that alter the word, because it’s better entertainment?
It does not fall under that warning UNLESS they are specifically calling those lines of dialog "scripture." Dallas has said over and over again that the show IS NOT SCRIPTURE.
I get that. But as a Christian I question the intent to use a biblical story and alter it? Why does the movie industry always take what God has for good, and alter it? Is it the accuser using these peoples desire for wealth and notoriety to deceive Christian’s? Maybe to plant a seed of doubt or to question the authenticity of scripture? I stay away. I find little value in movies using Bible story’s to make a movie that has altered scripture.
I’m not going to make an impassioned plea for The Chosen show or for Dallas Jenkins here. Just some thoughts. First they are no longer working with Angel studios (run by Mormons) and that affiliation was business, not a religious agreement. In business, most if not all of us must rub shoulders with folks who do not believe as we do. Second, not all conversations had by Jesus with others are recorded in the Bible. John told us if everything had been written down the whole world could not hold all the books. Hyperbole of course, but clearly an indication that many things about Jesus were not written down and canonized as scripture. And third, I don’t know what behaviors of Jesus are perceived as showing him flawed by sin…the character shows hunger, thirst, tiredness, anger, sadness, etc. I’m a pretty astute viewer of media and I’m not sure I’ve seen sneaky nods at LGBTQ mentality. Historically, those behaviors were around in ancient times. Jesus must have encountered them…but since He came to save mankind from their sins, I’d expect him to deal with it (not run away ). Just my thoughts.
Haven’t watched a single episode. Just the clips make me wonder.
Who Watches TV??
It is hard for me to see any effort to dramatize scripture. It simply presumes too much. I also do not want someone presuming to act the part of the Savior to have dialog that is not from what we have as generally accepted biblical text - and that still allows quite a bit of room for differences in what denominations and individuals accept as inspired texts and differences over translations.
Not sure where the slight to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the writer refers to said Church as "Mormon") comes from here. It seems to escape in this piece as a bit of hard to suppress bitterness since it doesn't really support the points he appears he wants to make and doesn't seem to be accurate. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer, as the only way or means by which they may return home, as the individual who suffered and paid for sin and makes possible repentance. That means, absent an intellectually manipulated exercise, that they are "Christians" - the author's disagreements with them over the nature of the God Head or Trinity notwithstanding.
My own misgivings aside, I respect the work of those of good faith who I see as sincere believers in Jesus Christ that comes through in the episodes of The Chosen that I have watched. I see those who have created these programs as my brothers and sisters who are doing their sincere best to do a good work to honor the Savior and share their witness of Him. I wish them God's speed in their efforts.
When people say “this was not recorded” so it’s not biblical they miss the point.
First test does it line up with what Christ has said before or His character?
Not everything was recorded not every word spoken was recorded. S
Yes, not everything was recorded, but both the old and new testaments warn us not to add or take away anything.
It’s a movie series they are not adding to or taking away
What is the LGBTQ Symbolism it refers to?
One of the crew flies a LGBTQ flag behind the camera.
This is visible on the episodes?!
I have, thankfully, have never seen this series. I counsel with a women at a pregnancy care center who does not go to church who really likes the series. I have warned her it is not biblical. We are currently studying the actual Bible. She has a great fear of church. The whole situation requires much prayer and mercy.
Sadly, we are in an age where everyone wants to visually see on tv what they think is the truth. We are lazy and don’t want to do the research for ourselves to find the truth.
Nope
Never watched a single episode.